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<Updated on 16 May 2012.>

Dear friends,

It is observed that some of the incompetent Executives try to degrade the LDCE passed officers  with vulgar comments & illogical demands. It is now high time to fight against internal anti-social elements. We always have worked towards welfare of our colleagues. DPCs for promotions of seniority cum fitness quota are made without  LDCE quota being filled , but we never opposed the seniority cum-fitness promotions. Some of incompetent & wicked minded Executives challenged the higher seniority gained by LDCE officers.

                        Friends, now it is time to unite, join hands & fight for our legitimate rights and to annihilate the culprits. Please refer the OMs of DOPT and cease operation of the incorrect seniority lists & the illegal promotions to DE cadre.

                       It is requested to register your details under Membership to unite & fight for our rights.  You can query through mail & get help for your case.

17-05-2012  It is learnt from reliable sources that somebody is putting pressure in DPC section of corporate office to recast the seniority list No. 6 and 7 as per date of joining. It is also learnt that BSNL Lawyer on panel has put remark that there is no scope for appeal. It clearly indicates that panel lawyer is managed by opposite party.

We could not understand without filing SLP/ Appeal in supreme court how BSNL can decide to revise the seniority list No. 6 & 7 and why not all the seniority lists from 1 to 7?.

Friends, it is time to unite and act as per line of action-

1.       Kerala comrades are requested to send complaint against BSNL Lawyer to CMD, DIR (HR) and GS of the association to remove such biased lawyer from BSNL Panel.

2.       It is also requested to take his registration number from high court so that we can lodge complaint against him to Law commission for his de-registration as a Lawyer.

3.       File appeal in Supreme Court against judgment based on intentional shortlisted information.

It is requested to all LDCE passed officers of 2002 and 2007 to contact Mr. Bobanlal (09447121212) and  Mr. Manoj Krishanan ( 09447039944) and provide financial assistance.

16-05-2012 Dear friends, 

Recently Hon. Kerala high court delivered judgment to fix the seniority based on date of joining. Please go through the judgment. It is observed that DOPT OM dated 03.07.1986 is partially referred.  The assumptions made are not based on true facts or rules of seniority. The case was not properly defended. The judgment was delivered by comparing LDCE candidates with direct recruit and promotion through DPC as promotes.

Recruitment rules only defines quota for different mode of promotions. When recruitment rules are silent on seniority then recruitment rules are useful only to decide the quota for each method of promotion and DOPT guidelines should be followed to fix the seniority between LDCE candidates and promotions through DPC.

Please go through the principal CAT New Delhi Judgment stating that if one quota is not filled for long time due to inaction of government then promotions made only for seniority quota cannot become regular and these promotions are adhoc only. DOPT OM dated 07.02.1986 Para 4 & 5 and DOPT OM dated 03.07.1986 Para 2.4.3 & 2.4.4 explains the same. i.e. seniority cannot be fixed as per date of joining as per Para 2.1. of the OM dated 03.07.1986 if the condition given in Para 2.4.3 for promotion is violated.

Since 1989, the rules of promotions are violated and tried to suppress vacancies of LDCE quota. Hence it is unavoidable to challenge all the promotions made only for seniority quota since 1993 by violating recruitment rules in force as well as DOPT guidelines.

Now there should not be any DPC till the recruitment of backlog LDCE quota as per recruitment rules in force.

Please go through the information and prepare to file case in the tribunal of your jurisdiction <<violation of RR & DOPT guidelines>>

25-04-2012 Alert! All LDCE Officers - It has been observed from some websites of Associations that these associations are fighting aagainst 1966 reversion case. This is total injustice on LDCE Officers. Associations are funding these cases against LDCE Officers. That is to say our money is utilized by these associations against us. All LDCE officers are requested to question their associations and unite to defeat this unsolicited move on the part of these associations.  Karnataka LDCE collagues are requested to submit representation to their Circle Office to make them respondents being adversely affecting peoples, if BSNL Karnataka appeals in High Court Banglore.

21-04-2012 Hon.Banglore CAT once again given judgement against restoration of seniority of 1966 SDEs promoted against supernumerary posts and slapped BSNL for wrong implementation of Hon.Kerala and Delhi High Court orders.  .   

20-04-2012 Victory of LDCE Candidates- LDCE Candidates of TN won the battle against restoration of 1966 SDEs in seniority list no-03,04 & 05.  

 15-04-2012 SNEA[I] General Secretary has written a letter to Dir[HR] regarding extending the benefit of notional date of promotion and fixation of pay w.e.f.23.01.2002 and actual benefits from 01.04.2008 in terms of judgment dated 26.04.2010 of the Hon. CAT,Banglore Bench in OA.NO.181/2009 to similarly placed other candidates also so that others should not be forced to approach different tribunals for the same relief .  

30-03-2012 Hon.GS SNEA[I] Shri.G.L.Jogi has assured in AIC at Nanded that SNEA will make all out efforts for generalization of the judgement on notional pay fixation for LDCE 2004 passed Executives.

22-03-2012 BSNL review petition against Sadashivan case was heard partially yesterday. Next date of hearing is 22June 2012.

22-03-2012 CONGRATS ! SDE to DE DPC  stayed by Hon. High Court Punjab till 18 July 2012. Earlier stay was up to 26-03-2012 from Jabalplur CAT.

 09-03-2012 Courtesy- SNEA[I] CHQ- LDCE 2004 - Review Application on notional date of promotion:The review Petition ( RP 315 /2011 ) filed by BSNL at Hon High Court of Karnataka at Bangalore against the judgment of notional fixation in case of LDCE passed 124 candidates of Karnataka in OA No.181 / 2009 was dismissed on 02-03-2012. This case has been fought mostly by our comrades under the efficient leadership of our Karnataka Circle secretary Com.S.B.Nagavi. Hats off to Karnataka circle comrades for their tireless efforts.  Our Association already taken up the case with BSNL Management for generalisation of the case and was waiting for the outcome of the review petition. As our association is trying for the generalisation, our comrades from other parts of the country need not approach different courts for the time being. View Hon. High court of Karnataka order 

 09-03-2012 : From Karnataka: http://www.ldce2004bsnl.com/:  The meeting of the left out candidates of LDCE on 3-3-2012, in Karnataka; it is decided to get prepared for the legal battle and initially pressurise BSNL through the CHQ association (SNEA) for generalisation. Now we are waiting for the copy of RP judegement. Once copy of judgement is available; all documents will be sent to other state co-ordinators for further action in the matter.The members of Karnataka who have not attended the meeting on 3-3-2012 are requested to immediately submit the VAKALATH forms to Shri S B Nagavi at Circle office Halasur Bangalore. Get ready for one more struggle to get justice to remaining 1400 LDCE candidates promoted on 8-6-2004...

In case of Hyderabad already they have filed a caveat in Hon High Court of Hyderabad. In case of Kerala they have filed caveat in Hon Supreme Court.

Comrades- we have to rise above the level for our just demands. It appears that none of the association is aware of the injustice or not convinced at CHQ level; that is why all and sundry news publishers have not flashed the news related to notional fixation. Mute acceptance of injustice is a crime and this strengthens the oppressor.

 02-03-2012 : CONGRATULATIONS!

Thanks to SNEA Karnataka : Congratulations ! The RP 315/2011 filed by BSNL against the judgement of notional fixation in case of LDCE passed 124 candidates of Karnataka in OA No.181/2009 is dismissed by the Hon High Court of Karnataka today . CS SNEA will take up the case with CHQ for its generalization which he has already discussed in detail with Com G L Jogi GS SNEA in Hyderabad yesterday.

Outcome of the review petition is in favor of LDCE Executives as such now BSNL has to keep commitment of considering the representations for notional pay fixation..

25-02-2012 : The review petion filed by BSNL - Maharashtra Circle against Sadashivan case came for hearing on 24-02-2012 & posted on 21-03-2012.

 18-02-2012 : The review filed by BSNL at Hon High Court of Karnataka at Banglore came up on 17-02-2012. Arguments completed and judgment reserved. Earlier the Hon Supreme Court dismissed the SLP filed by BSNL against the High Court order. Recently the CATs at Hyderabad and Ernakulam also given judgments on the same line.

 15-02-2012 [From http://sneaiktk.tripod.com] LDCE CASE;

The Review Petition RP 315/2011 in case of notional fixation case filed by BSNL against OA 181/2009 of S B Nagavi and 123 others is likely to come up before Hon High Court of Karnataka on 17-02-2012 .... 

30-01-2012Notional date of promotion for the SDEs promoted in 2004 under LDCE quota: Hon High Court at Ernakulam today given judgment in favour of extending notional date of promotion w.e.f 23.01.2002 for the SDEs promoted in the LDCE quota in 2004 with similar benefits extended by Hon CAT, Banglore. The judgment has to be implemented in 2 months time which will be subject to the outcome of the RA pending at Hon High Court of Karnataka at Banglore.

 29-01-2012BSNL withdraws misleading statement in the first para of Circular dated 23-01-2012 by issuing Corrigendum.The matter yet to attain sub-judice status , the review petition filed by BSNL is pending for admission at Hon.High Court Karnataka.Second para of the letter is based on the content of first para, as such whole letter becomes out of context. Corrigendum.

27-01-2012Review filed by BSNL & RA filed by LDCE Executives against Sadashivan case is admitted and posted on 24-02-2012.

27-01-2012Hon CAT, Jabalpur Bench stayed convening of DPC for Adhoc DE promotion till the next date of hearing, ie 26.03.2012.

 27-01-2012In an unfortunate move GS SNEA clears stand on seniority of 2/3rd qualified SDEs  ignoring justified seniority of 1/3rd quota.  Now there is no other alternative than to fight in the court of law. It is surprising to see that the people who were qualified for 2/3rd quota  seek seniority above competitive Exam passed Executives. Moreover the fact regarding non availability of vacancies and allotment of supernumerary status to these people is suitably ignored . It is time to think that all LDCE passed Executives should unite & fight against unsolicited move of SNEA  <GS SNEA to DirHr on Seniority>

 24-01-2012BSNL Corporate office declared that decision on the representations regarding notional pay fixation w.e.f. 23.01.2002 for LDCE 2002 candidates will be taken on outcome of review petition filed by BSNL in the same court.< Letter>

IMP:- It is therefore suggested that all the remaining SDEs who are yet to submit representations should submit the same immediately.

 23-01-2012Hyderabad CAT judgement dated 5 January 2012 regarding Notional pay fixation for LDCE 2002. Now there is no reason why the judgement cannot be generalized.  < Judgement>

31-12-2011Hyderabad CAT judgement dated 22.11.2011- regarding notional fixation for LDCE 2002 in the same line as that of Karnataka [Banglore CAT judgement] -[Order]

29-12-2011 The only man  who really understood the pangs of passing LDCE 2002. CS SNEA[I] Karnataka letter to GS SNEA[I]. <Letter>

GS SNEA[I] writes letter to Director HR for generalization of Banglore CAT order. <letter>

21-10-2011Most Urgent: Put SDE to DE DPC immediately on hold-   Dear friends, BSNL has initiated SDE to DE (Adhoc) promotions DPC process with incorrect seniority lists. The final seniority lists declared by DOT vide letter No. 16-1/2001-STG.II (Part File) dated 19.06.2008 are not followed and shown dustbin. 1966 excess promotees promoted with supernumerary status on 21.10.98 are selected unlawfully for DPC. It is appealed to file petition to stay this illegal DPC in your circle. The draft to put immediate stay through CAT is uploaded with supporting documents. <Draft><Docs>

21-10-2011Review Application filed on 20 October 2011 at Mumbai High Court to defeat Sadashivan Case.

   17-10-2011 ALERT ! - Final seniority lists published by BSNL are kept aside while selecting the candidates for SDE to DE adhoc DPC. Seniority of 1966 candidates is revised by wrong interpretation of Hon.Kerala and Delhi high court judgements. Objections are not at all invited by BSNL from the adversely affected executives. Be prepared to stay the DPC process in Circle wise Tribunals. The draft and required documents will be available within a week time.

 07-10-2011 Vague demand to scrap LDCE is rejected by Hon.CAT Chandigarh Court. The petitioner is afraid of competing the talent available in BSNL. BE  BRAVE !!!!!!!!!!!  <Judgement>

01-10-2011  URGENT:  LDCE 2002 and LDCE 2007 passed SDEs are requested to register on LDCE website immediately and form a  team of their Circle. If we remain isolated now, then we will be no where in seniority list. <<ldce2002>>, <<ldce2007>> 

LDCE passed SDEs of Maharashtra are requested to nominate two representatives from their SSA and contact Shri. P.M.Joshi (Mob-9422770999), Shri.C.R.Kadam-(Mob-9422273130) or Shri. M.S.Adsul ( Mob-9423082352) to get united to defeat Sadashivan case. << ldce2002 >>, <<ldce2007>>

28-09-2011 BSNL Maharashtra Circle has filed a review petition against Sadashivan case verdict on 27-09-2011. We the ldcebsnl team has also worked out to become respondent in the case. Necessity of filing a separate case is being explored.

23-09-2011 LDCE passed officers are requested to form a circle wise team and the details may please be mailed to ldcebsnl@gmail.com to arrange a combine meeting in due course to discuss the issues associated with LDCE and LDCE seniority. Circle level team will communicate the activities and coordinate all members of the circle.

23-09-2011- Eligibility and vacancy year for JTOs appearing for LDCE under 33% quota. [Letter]

19-09-2011 

Urgent: All LDCE passed officers of LDCE 2000, 2002, 2003 & 2007 read the judgments posted at website and arrange meeting of LDCE passed officers at their SSA to decide the strategy to defend Sadashivan case. If you remain silent, you will lose your seniority to the date of your regular posting. This has time limit. Act fast and mail your combine decision on mail ldcebsnl@gmail.com.

17-09-2011

All new recruited JTOs with three year service are eligible for LDCE. As per DOPT OMs BSNL has to fill all vacancies year to year basis but BSNL is filling seniority cum fitness quota only through DPC keeping LDCE quota pending. This creates seniority problem for LDCE passed officers. As per provisions in DOPT OMs, all the promotions before filling direct recruit quota or competitive quota should be treated as adhoc instead of regular and can be made regular only from the date of recruitment of direct recruit quota.

 All competent officers should be alert and oppose every attempt of BSNL to conduct any DPC before filling competitive quota as per OMs of DOPT.

 Alert! - If Associations are not filing case against Sadashivan case ask them to stop all competitive examinations. All DPCs conducted since 1989 to 2002 are illegal. The promotions till holding of LDCE are ad-hoc in nature. Court cases need to filed to do away with injustice. All promotions need to be converted into ad-hoc SDE instead of regular SDE and may be regularized from the date of posting of LDCE passed candidates. Then only LDCE Executives will get correct seniority as per the provisions in RRs.

16-09-2011

Seniority of December 2002 LDCE passed officers should be fixed above 1966 excess promotes. Moreover, among remaining 1663 promotions (1998 DPC) in the ratio 3:1, otherwise the promotions should be treated as adhoc till the posting of LDCE passed officers. Click here for Draft << seniority case>>

 The LDCE passed officers those have got seniority for the vacancy year 1996-97, 97-98 & 98-99 may file the case to restore their seniority above 1966 excess promotes and those who have got seniority of 99-2000 & 2000-01 should fight to revise their seniority among 1966 in the ration 3:1.

16-09-2011

Sadashivan Case: Disadvantage of posting as SDE Legal i.e. petitioner and defender, both are same. No effort from BSNL Lawyer to read same OMs and defeat the cunning and misrepresented move. This verdict is against all competitive passed officers since 1988 to 2007. It is time to unite and fight for the rights. See inputs in restricted download. <<Mumbai CAT Judgment>>, <<Mumbai HC Judgment>>

16-09-2011

Notional fixation for LDCE passed officer exam held in December 2002. Please submit representation through proper channel. <<<Representation>>>, <<<Bangalore HC order>>>, <<<Supreme court order>>>